Well, with less than 24 hours after the previous article was posted, Blizzard nerfed the SR trait by roughly 35%-40%. While this may go down as one of the fastest reactions in Blizzard’s history, I can’t say it wasn’t warranted based on the numbers Windwalkers were able to put out with it.
What this means is that anything that required 2 stacks, now requires 3, and anything that requires 3, now isn’t possible.
More details will have to come later, but Swift Roundhouse is almost certainly still one of our strongest traits. The playstyle is still there, you just need 3 traits and its not quite as strong, although still very strong.
My time is short since I have plans tonight, so we will work on getting the rest of it figured out over the next few days. Raidbots and SimCraft will be updated in a few hours and we can start figuring out the nuts and bolts again.
Are you serious? No really. A person that represents ww community once again is the cause of a monk ability getting nerfed to shit. Like, if you like the class why do you feel the need to speak out about things that you believe to be overpowered? There are other class communities for that. First blackoutkick now this. The thing here is, blizzard nerfs one mechanic and doesn’t adjust others. We get weaker every patch for the sake of… class fantasy? Are you retarded? I love ww monk, but seriously, my guild WILL kick me out of the raid for not being able to perform on par with every other class in the raid. We are going to return to: play at the highest of skill to be on par with lower than average *insert any other dps*. How about you write an article about a shitty mechanic of using our only decent defensive? karma doing insane shitshow damage? Thats overpowered right? I don’t like the style of it myself, but guess what? Now this is THE ONLY ABILITY THAT KEEPS US AFLOAT. Its gonna get nerfed as soon as raids come out, but the best we can hope in return is an aura buff. I hope you are proud of yourself.
Windwalker was over 10% higher than any other spec before these changes. I don’t see how that requires a compensation buff.
Windwalker is still one of the strongest specs, even with the nerf to BoK and SR. Nerds are not always bad and unwarranted.
I can agree with Fukkbalooneyous about karma – it is not fun playstyle and imo blizz should nerf karma dmg instead of swift roundhouse to keep WW in check.
It’s actually kind of fun its just risky and stupid. We’ll use karma on pull with TOD if we’re playing optimally and that puts us at risk since one of our main defensives is now on CD. This gets more problematic in harder content like mythic raids and higher M+ keys. Right now its fun to tank +0 Mythic bosses on pull using karma and TOD and doing 30k+ single target burst but the problems will arise as the content gets harder and then rogues will inevitably put us in the dust unless our damage and numbers are insane like they were in Antorus.
Calculating what damage I can survive through and trying to use ToD and ToK to create a huge burst damage window is some of the most fun I’ve had playing WoW in months.
Yes we are doing great atm. But as soon as raid opens and we have to encounter longer boss fights, i am afraid that we will be in a tough spot.
Man, you wouldn’t even figured out the maths behind this without the previous post. It was OP, we were like 8th in sims and after that 1st with a good margin… If you don’t see the problem there, then just wait for the raid to spawn, look at a very OP spec and play it. At least you won’t be disapointed by every changes that are coming in the few weeks. I must say that for ToK, I’m with you and I dislike the mechanic. It’s ok in mm0 but higher I thinkit will be harder to not be OS even with the ToK absorb. But in raid, I think there will be many bosses where it won’t be that easy to soak that amount of damage. But we’ll see
I don’t think you are aware of how lucky we are to have such good class content.
This nerf needed to happen, it was broken. Our damage is totally fine, relax.
It once again fostered unintentional and unintuitive Windwalker gameplay where we don’t use one of our main spenders. WW already feels like there is that one spender missing, in place of SotWL, we don’t need to lose reason to use another one outside of AoE/Cleave.
SR can go die in fire. The nerf to it was warranted, regardless of position in simcrafts.
This is the dumbest comment I have ever read
It’s exactly because he *is* part of the WW community that he makes articles like this. What did you see happening? That SRK’s significance to our dps output would simply go unoticed? It wouldn’t. It was an anomaly and you’re better of as a class, as a spec, to have things like this sorted out than to move in a skewed direction for too long. Your come off as short-sighted. You might experience some nice mythic instances in the next week or so, but come raid time, or closely after raids begin, you’d be hit by the nerf bat that much harder. Consider yourself fortunate that Babylonius and the rest of Peak’s authors provide class content and contributes as positively to the Monk community as they do.
Awsome. Now only Touch of Karma needs to go die in fire, and we finally have a healthy spec again.
are we supposed to be stacking versatility in gear? do we have new stat priority?
The stat priority in the guide is still right. If it was wrong, it would have been updated to be right
I didnt see a stat priority? In the pve guide
Idk what to tell you then, since it’s definitely there
I really don’t struggle keeping up with the dps. Not that rogues won’t out damage me in longer fights, but i think we are in an OK spot. Not crazy though. I think in longer raid fights we will be under-average dps though. I really wish that they could boost some of our primary abilities and perhaps nerf ToK. We have great burst, not that great on sustain, especially since ToK is crucial for us to even be considered a decent dps class. If they decide to nerf ToK and they don’t buff anything else we will be garbage. And i am afraid that blizzard might do that.
And on the other hand, mythic + and raid encounters will be a struggle since we have to hold on to karma to use defensively – not as a damage boost
Is it even worth going for SR in dungeons? Aoe dmg feels like garbage (was almost always under tank (brewmaster)) and a few bosses counteract your way of burst or just take longer.
It’s worth using the trait as it’s still very strong. Whether Serenity is worth it is up to you
Thanks babylonious for all the effort you put in so i don’t have to do it myself, you’re a beast. I’d love to have a chat with you on discord one day.
Babs you are one of the reason I have continued with my monk, the community is much better than some other classes, that honestly seem to be stronger, but have toxic communities. Dont let the post from Fukkbalooneyous get to ya, most of us understand that by being honest about the class, you help maintain your integrity, and is why so many listen to your advice.
That being said, I do hope they switch CTM and GK around between pvp and pve, and make it so we can use SCK to tag unique mobs via AOE to build crane stacks, reducing the globals needed from 6 to 2 and not needing tab targetting hehe.
Just because ppl play monk coz of Antorus now ppl want him to be OP A.F , but you know little guys who can’t play skilled class … monk IS a skilled class and don’t need to be op A.F just need to step up… Ty antorus, it was better when we had a little community
Thanks Babylonius for all your work, it really helps a lot the monk community to be able to rely on your guides and articles !
Do you have more info about Swift Roundhouse RN tha tthe raid is almost out ? Still the most OP trait ? Still start to play without FoF with 2 or more traits ? (Must admit I have that playstyle). Many thanks !
The guide has continued to be updated when things changed, so it’s still accurate
Nice. That’s unfortunate regarding the playstyle it induces, but nice anyway. Thanks.
People whining in here should learn how to play… We are still OP and you dont even have to use ToK as a dmg boost in raid or whatever. Thanks Bab for the awesome work !